Is Dharma tangible? Dhrama— the principle of living! What is Kingdom Of Heaven? God is Wisdom & Satan is Ignorance! Future of Satsang!

Quest:— Well, whenever man accomplishes some scientific invention, he starts enjoying its advantages from that very moment, for example, radio, telegraph, electric lamp; we don’t have any difficulty in understanding the benefits of these. But man is yet to understand Dharma properly, let alone the observance of that in life. Despite the advent of so many great men, man is still groping in the same darkness; death, decrepitude, sorrow, disease have remained as they were, haven’t they?

Beloved the Lord:— Dharma means that by observing which man can live and can grow; and that is so tangible that if I take arsenic or prussic acid, I shall die instantly; if I venture near a snake without proper tactics, I have to pay the price straightaway; getting into deep water without learning how to swim may prove too costly. So dhārmik or the performer of dharma is the one who abides by and advocates the principles of living.

Quest:— But man can hardly observe all the disciplines of dharma, can he?

Beloved the Lord:— Even he can’t follow all, he can follow a few, rather he invariably follows at least those, with the help of which he can live, adequately, otherwise how has he remained alive?

Quest:— But what about Nobel laureate Dr. Alexis Carrel’s saying that man shall not be able to achieve his dharma properly until he be able to comprehend in an efficient manner the interrelation of the science of the material world, physiology, psychology and spirituality, and unless he can control all spiritual factors not merely with the mind but with the material science too!

Beloved the Lord:— Quite right! And if we proceed on the path of love and culture, then one day this will surely happen.

Quest:— But what is Christ’s  kingdom of heaven we hear about? Where is that? Where has His Father dwelt in? In which world is that heaven? Will it ever come true within the real world of all people?

Beloved the Lord:— He discovered the kingdom of heaven within His own self, and so has He given its whereabouts; and this kingdom of heaven exists in everyone, the only thing what is needed is to open it by moving in that direction.

Quest:— But if it is inside, not outside, then isn’t it a hoax?

Beloved the Lord:— If the kingdom of sorrow and grief is hoax, then that one too is so, and if the kingdom of sorrow and grief is real, then that too is real.

Quest:— Should we, then, sit out only with this truth? Will this kingdom of heaven remain a nice dream forever? Won’t it come up within the reach of everyone— in education, society, health, industry and life ever?

Beloved the Lord:— Sure, it will! As our physical change takes place, so we see the change in the physical world. When I become joyful, I find the world too in that light, and coming in my contact my environment too gradually becomes like that.

Quest:— The way things are happening, since time immemorial, it seems that the guiding principle of the universe is Satan, not God,— otherwise why have so much pains to be taken to establish good and truth?

Beloved the Lord:— Ignorance means nothing but lack of farsightedness. Those who have no farsightedness, become easily inclined to whatever apparently seems of happiness and life to them in order to avert imminent sorrow or death; they cannot apprehend that perhaps the thing they become inclined to, gives birth to death with ease, and this very ignorance is Satan.

            But man has inner hankering after life and lift, he wants to live, and by whichever means that may be. If he gets any such embodied Ideal as may lift his life and growth through service and help, and if he can understand that through repeated use, then he will invariably cling to Him. And so long as such kind of good does not embrace them in various ways and means, is there any other way than Satan remaining their guiding principle?

Quest:— Will this kingdom of heaven, then, ever blossom on this earth inhabited by fifteen hundred million people?

Beloved the Lord:— We can, at best, call this kingdom of fifteen hundred million people on earth a kingdom of man, if we may call this a kingdom at all. There does hardly exist any kingdom here at present, but of course, everything can happen.

Quest:— Another thing arises in my mind, it is heard that you know astrology, I mean, you abide by it and believe in it, and in that case you are a fatalist, aren’t you? If man’s growing up is pre-destined, and if the life is pre-determined, then why do you say all this about excellence and upliftment?

Beloved the Lord:— I think, I acknowledge the laws of Providence, i.e., the way a thing should be done to get desired result,— and I abide by that because there is no other way, and in the process of abiding by that I’m compelled to abide by anything that may fetch the desired result. Man’s life may be pre-destined; again it may be regulated too. If we can properly observe the laws of being and becoming, then I do believe that this being and becoming may not forsake us.

            Where there is the life of the world, the life of every individual lies also there. This life may be transformed by astrological influence. But knowing the laws of what we want if we observe that, then we can get that too. And through that our environment, be that astrologically or earthly, may be regulated similarly, of course if we do not forsake the urge of being and becoming,— this is my belief.

Quest:— I’ve another question to ask, was C. R. Das your initiated disciple?

Beloved the Lord:— Yes, he took initiation from my mother. We were then staying at Maniktala (Kolkata). One day Mr Pal said that he had gratified Satsang by joining it. Hearing this mother got offended, and at that moment Das-da came. We were on the terrace of the building. Das-da said that he didn’t visit the temple (Jagannath) even if he went to Puri. He had a pique, ‘If Jagannath be not merciful on me, then why should I go? If only Jagannath calls, shall I go.’ This was the point of his pique.

            After various conversations he said, ‘I can’t hope that I shall have the fortune of taking initiation. I know I’m unworthy of that.’ He went to meet mother. No sooner did he meet her, than mother said, ‘Don’t do any such thing; Pal has gratified us. By taking the name of God man becomes gratified, it is not that taking initiation one may gratify God. Only the one, who has such sentiment in him, should come this way, not others. After some days, some will say that these people are wicked, cheats, and eventually you too will say the same.’ Mother continued, ‘Why do you want to do harm to us for nothing?’ Listening this Das-da in moistened eyes said, ‘Chittaranjan doesn’t bow head, but nobody has ever heard that he has once bowing his head taken back.’

            Thus melting mother he took initiation from her— one-and-a half years before his death, after his return to Kolkata from Sirajganj conference. Then he sent Bhombal (Chittaranjan’s son), he too became initiate. After retiring from politics he would make a cottage here to pass the last part of his life therein— this was his wish.

Quest:— Don’t you yourself initiate anyone

Beloved the Lord:— I imparted initiation one or two before,— but at present I don’t.

Quest:— Sri Sri Arvinda is pursuing austere asceticism restraining his outer activities,— what is your opinion of him?

Beloved the Lord:— There are different types of people. Their hunger is appeased in different ways,— for some it may be by taking rice, for some by eating bread, while others may be content with fruits, this too is like that.

Quest:— I shall ask you another question. Is whatever you told regarding the reformation of the nation applicable only to Bengal, or it can be applied to all the nations of the world of the present time? Can it bring any solution to the hostilities going on between nations throughout the world?

Beloved the Lord:— I’ve not said anything keeping specifically in mind Bengal, India or Europe and America, or in terms of Hindu, Muslim or Christian. We are human beings, and what I understand about man’s needs, i.e., the way man’s being and becoming can move on unimpaired, I have said only that.

Quest:— Well, how comes that there is no mutual friction between the Muslims, Hindus, and others of various communities, who are thousands in your Satsang? How has this cohabitation of people of different sects been possible here?

Beloved the Lord:— If many follow one common Ideal, i.e., love him and try to fulfill him only, then this is what happens; in fact, can happen in a much better way.

Quest:— But this institution of the name ‘Satsang’ you have built up,— the streams of education, health, finance, society, science, industry and arts that have ensued out of you, and the branches of this institution which are extending in Assam, Bihar, Burma and other provinces,— is also a kind of sect, and like other sects, one day it will also create conflict with others, won’t it?

Beloved the Lord:— I think, those who are Heroes or Great Men, who seek the welfare of living beings and the world, have never done anything with a view to forming sects. Though I don’t reckon myself as someone like them, still I feel that whatever they have done, they have done only to embrace good. I too wants my good, and this very urge has made me like this.

            What I’m doing is for the good, keeping in consideration of myself and of them, by whom my existence exists. Satsang, perhaps, has become like other sects or may become so. Whenever or if the followers or admirers of Satsang, in order to establish themselves and disobeying what I have said or am saying, forget or will forget to render admiration and service towards previous Guides, Great Men, Heroes and their admirer and followers, then it will certainly be no more than a narrow circle.

What is Normal Diet, Mode Of Living, Physical Exercise etc.? Service, Profitable Management & Continuity in Industry! About Untouchability & Harijan Movement! Sufferings from Unsolved Complexes! Law of Providence!

Quest:— What do you mean by normal diet and mode of living, physical exercise through activity, and elevated engagement— that you said regarding health?

Beloved the Lord:— Normal diet is that which is non-irritative, easily digestive, nutritive and placative; normal mode of living means maintaining the conduct in such a way that no such sudden exertion takes place as a result of which, health may break down; and eating and living should not be in such a unrestrained manner that we become maladroit and depressed; and physical exercise should be such as to keep the health and service unimpaired sublime and in good shape. Elevative engagement is, verily, to become engaged in such affairs which, apart from providing proper nourishment to progress, never bring any deterioration of body or mind.

Quest:— And what do you mean, when you say that service basis, profitable management and continuity shall have to be introduced in the industry?

Beloved the Lord:— If intention to serve others, i.e. how to thoroughly nourish and nurture others, be not there, then how can the emergence of industry take place in man? The very meaning of industry is building up from within. Therefore, the basic principle of industry or enterprise is, to go to people, to show sympathy to them, to look after their comfort and discomfort, and to ponder over how to meet all this, so that they can be properly nourished and nurtured, and be saved from sorrows, sufferings and difficulties; and verily the conflicts in the process of knowing such needs and pain helps to build up from within, to be engaged in that wholeheartedly and to meet them. And from this comes profitable management which tells how and where, by making what type of arrangement the elevation can be maintained perfectly avoiding deterioration.

            And to do this, we are to deal with them sweetly and sincerely, and we should stick to this serving attitude and profitable management carefully, actively and continuously. So, these attributes, i.e. characteristics are the real and expedient servants of industry; hence doing industry by a person, in whom these are lacking, is a kind of aerial castle for him. No one can be seen in the world who, has become great but, has not such qualities ingrained in his nature.

Quest:— Well, what is your opinion regarding driving away untouchability?

Beloved the Lord:— We don’t advocate anything such as touchability or untouchability. One does as he wishes,— some eat with Muslims, some don’t. We never say some such thing that one, who doesn’t eat with Muslims, will have to eat; and we don’t have any such idea that by just eating food served by anybody will make us attain salvation, nor do we say that just by not taking food by others we will remain sanctified. We don’t quite believe that much improvement can happen to the nation with either touchability or untouchability. When a brother separates his own brother, and even while eating together when a brother opposes his own brother, then it is not that merely by eating food served by anyone will bring any unity. I think what is first needed is service. Whether we eat food cooked by others or not but, if we can make our efforts for the happiness and well-being of others, then the effect of driving away untouchability will be nothing compared to the effect of our such efforts.

Quest:— Then what do you think of this Harijan movement begun in the country? What would you say about depressed classes?

Beloved the Lord:— I just can’t admit the very idea of depressed. It seems to me that, by repeatedly terming them depressed they are being turned more and more depressed, and they are being segregated into a separate sect. To uplift them, do extend service to them and love them with your heart and soul, bring in the society the development in health, education and industry, and usher them so that they can stay more in contact with the elevated ones. Nothing can be achieved if not done this way. And the compactness within a race is maintained through hypergamous inter-marriage that lets not one race separate from another, yet keeps the grades intact.

Quest:— According to the codified Hindu Law, inter-caste hypergamous marriage is illegal. Then how can the inter-caste marriage, through which upliftment is inevitable as you are speaking about, be possible? And Raghunandan of Bengal ruled out any possibility of inter-caste marriage in Kaliyug.

Beloved the Lord:— Providence is providence, it neither obeys anyone or knows anyone, but keeps its pace in its own way. It recognizes only him who follows it— whether that be laid down in codified law or not, whether Raghunandan certifies that or not. To achieve something that must be done in the way that can be achieved, else nothing will ever be achieved without doing that, and this is the eternal truth, and so also the nature of providence. If the error of those who have compiled these laws of Providence for the welfare of mankind by culling them from Nature, deprives man from some immortal blissful path, then for that they can be held responsible, but Providence does not become responsible even if it is held so. This has never been heard ever anywhere that there remains error in Providence. You can never achieve something or anything without doing in the exact way that can be achieved— this message is perennially unerring and immaculate and will remain so.

Quest:— Well, we Bengalis as a race seem to be a fragmented assembly of these three races— Aryans, Non-Aryans and Muslims. In spite of the fact that they live on the same soil, their ideals and aims are different and, mutual frictions are pretty frequent among them. Despite sharing the same land, could we ever achieve liberty?

Beloved the Lord:— Bengal now has, as if, turned into the kingdom of sorrow and grief, which means, the kingdom of Satan! As much into a kingdom of Satan it will turn, so much will Bengalis turn into a brood of fox, and the end will be in a kingdom of individuals.

Quest:— What is the kingdom of individuals?

Beloved the Lord:— If we don’t follow the aforesaid path, then it will have the same fate at the end as that of the man who has no environment.

Quest:— Why do we suffer so much sorrow, mental anguish, depression at all?

Beloved the Lord:— Sufferings ensue from some unsolved complexes. I may have home complex, I may have money complex also; but to me these two have no correlation,— home doesn’t exist for money, nor money for home, and for this comes sorrows. This sorrow is removed only when those complexes become solved. As for the example—

            “Vidyate hridayagranthishchhidyante sarvasamshayāh,

            kshīyante chāsya karmāni tasmin drishte parāvare.

In this way, man, instead of doing what he wants, does something else that he doesn’t yearn for any more.

Quest:— Then where lies the end of our sufferings, what’s the solution?

Beloved the Lord:— Everything has become disoriented and disordered. There are no proper father and mother; who is taking whose woman, whose son is being born where,— nothing is confirmed. I think, everything will be settled, only when reforms of that type as I have described comes, and whatever I have said is followed explicitly and perfectly.

Quest:— But there is a saying that, birth, marriage and death— these three are predestined by Providence, then how can anyone take another’s woman?

Beloved the Lord:— That is to say, one has been out of hand. What is happening is not in the laws of Providence.

Quest:— Well, suppose we become reformed, but what is to come out of it either? There are many such reformed races in the world who claim that they are independent, but what good are they doing? Igniting hostility and warfare they are doing no better than augmenting sufferings, afflictions and miseries of the world. Shall we do that? Is that man’s ultimate is deal?

Beloved the Lord:— These people have no definite Ideal before them, by fulfilling whom each of them may achieve meaningfulness. So, with the democratic form of egoistic ambition, they, motivated by that very purpose, are moving gradually in development. Also due to the motivation for that purpose invention too has not been thrived less among them. But this development and invention, owing to the lacking of a definite fulfilling Ideal, often brings war, losing the progressive balance of being and becoming. And if there is no Ideal, then war alone becomes the demolishing agent on the path of man’s life. Again, verily the ruthless catastrophic havoc of war, creating grief-stricken mourning in every heart, generates an indomitable eager yearning for the Ideal, culminating an attachment for Beloved the Ideal, as a result of which comes a world of peace and love and life.

            I’m speaking of life because, man does not want to deteriorate, and this is his inner tendency. There is enjoyment in love and, existence in life. Hence, to live and to enjoy harmlessly— herein lies the meaningfulness of man. If some reformer moves with the inclination to fulfill some definite ideal, that is one thing, and to move or do just with the intention to reform the ensuing problems is quite another thing; although those who bring such reformation also happen to be believers in godhead.

Quest:— What is the difference between the two then? Both are reformers, aren’t they?

Beloved the Lord:— One makes the use of Providence to fulfill oneself while the other engages himself to fulfill the ideal.

Quest:— I’ve read in Bible, ‘Beware of false prophets’. Henry Ford too said, ‘The false prophet is usually an honest gentleman whose main error is in posing as a prophet. In fact, it is really difficult to recognize a true prophet, isn’t it?

Beloved the Lord:— The great man is he who has an Ideal, and to serve that Ideal who has become active, and that activity has become meaningful in his conduct speech and service.

Quest:— Does ‘has become meaningful’ suggest ‘has become successful’?

Beloved the Lord:— Yes.

Quest:— You talk of Ideal but, every leader has the ideal of serving the nation, hasn’t he?

Beloved the Lord:— To approach them whose ideal is abstract is bit difficult. I feel the same as Bernard Shaw has said, ‘Beware of the man whose God is in the skies’, because, conflicts from ideal is less in their lives, so also they have less perception; intensity of love, i.e. love for the Ideal is not so much that they can overcome the conflicts against Ideal, so perceptions too are less, and so it is difficult to understand them. And this is an absurd idea that a person who has no some embodied ideal, analyzes, because, the very existence of man depends upon others. Where there is no such thing as ‘you’, there is no ‘I’ either; to remain conscious there has to be ‘you’ or some other.

Quest:— Where is the solution to the problems of industrialism, politics, militarism etc. that are becoming seriously critical in the present world? D Valera, Hitler, Mussolini, Kamal Pasha, Stalin like leaders of different nations have stirred up such a dangerous conflicts of interests that only the clanking of weapons, aeroplane, navy and arms and ammunitions are on the increase throughout the countries of the world; where is its solution?

Beloved the Lord:— If industry stands on the basis of service, if the purpose be to serve others, and if invention fulfills nothing but that, then that manufactures comfort, happiness and life, and then things like that happen no more.

Quest:— But it is seen that initially man moves with the ideal of service, but then eventually he becomes aggressive, as in the case of England, Germany, Japan. Why does this happen? Instead of serving others then it wants to devour them.

Beloved the Lord:— That means, as a single person has an environment around him, similarly a group of people have a bigger environment around them. So the environment of the people of a country is the people of the nearest neighbouring countries. Whenever one country refuses to accept border countries or other countries as its environment and instead of extending service to them oppresses them, then this misery begins.

            Life means nothing but me and my environment— the co-ordination of myself and my environment. If a man be kept in a place where there is no such environment as excites him, he can hardly survive. Where my duty towards my environment will verily be my interest and to serve the environment so that it grows, then the duty of my environment will also be to sustain me and let me grow. As my interest depends on my environment, so the interest of my environment too depends on me. Then what remain are love, life and service,— and so devouring others or war becomes quite impossible.

Quest:— How has, then,  impossible been possible for such a long time?

Beloved the Lord:— Our knowledge is so little that we don’t understand where our interest lies— that is why the road to destruction is so broad.

Quest:— But in the animal kingdom we see that, without committing violence to others no animal can survive; without this attitude even man cannot live or grow, can he? Apart from this, we don’t find that kind of ideal anywhere, do we?

Beloved the Lord:— But that is the ideal of only one side. Man has two motions to choose from— running towards annihilation, and running towards elevation. When we eat by killing, we eat only pangs of death or deterioration, and when we sustain ourselves by auto-excretion then, what we take is the bliss of life.

Quest:— What is auto-excretion?

Beloved the Lord:— Milk for example, when it accumulates in the udder of the cow, it wants to discharge it, wants to feed with it,— like the seers of ancient time who would eat fruits fallen off the stalk.

Quest:— But you say everything has life, in that case killing is perpetrated always by eating, isn’t it? Also it is not that killing is not done by taking milk or vegetables.

Beloved the Lord:— When we become so much sensitive, then so much finer world will open up before our senses, and then we shall be able to discover new kinds of food also, but now, this much.

Female education! Characteristics of Male and Female! Who should propose in marriage? Elevated Intellectualism! Education should be practical and industrial.

Quest:— What are your views regarding female education?

Beloved the Lord:— As boys should be trained, so should be girls too, but of course there must be difference of temperament. The more they both become educated, the better, and whatever comes off this education, is necessarily good for girls. Keeping their distinctiveness intact whatever is essential to develop them must be done.

Quest:— In Britain girls are joining the police force, and the army even; should our girls also emulate this?

Beloved the Lord:— Yes, if need arises they can do everything— many women in our country knew the arts of warfare. But that doesn’t mean that fighting or spying is their characteristic. It seems that whatever is needed to elevate the being and make it equipped means to be their duty.

Quest:— If this is the duty of woman, same is true for man too; what, then, is the difference between them?

Beloved the Lord:— The difference is that woman gets happiness by nurturing, and man becomes happy through getting that nurturance. The characteristic of a man is to procure to fulfill, and that of a woman is to do that by which man becomes nourished, becomes elevated, and to become fulfilled in seeing him thus elevated.

Quest:— I could not quite understand the characteristics of male and female!

Beloved the Lord:— Girls accrue contentment by making one satisfied, nourished and nurtured, and boys get satisfaction by fulfilling the wants. Male has more width in his activity, whereas female has more depth in hers. The width of activity can in no way come much in female, they enjoy the world through male; hence their activities are inner and vigorously concentrated.

Quest:— It is heard that woman is full of love, what does this mean?

Beloved the Lord:— The quest for love first arouses in woman’s heart, and the very symptom of love is to become resounding in admiration; there remains verboseness but no activity means that love has not been set yet. A true woman never says, ‘I shall love only if you love’; it is her nature that consists of love,— and love itself is not like that. Like mother loves her son even before the son has started loving her; afterwards he procures various things and brings them to her mother, and in this manner fulfilling her wants he becomes satisfied. Woman felicitates and nurtures, gives inspiration, by which man becomes nourished; thus through her service enhances the mental and physical wealth of father, brother, husband, child and the like.

            Woman’s inner tendency tends to motherhood, so their education should be intended to nurture this; standing upon this fundamental principle whatever is necessary for a woman ought to be done. Thus it can be seen that to nurture man and to make him elevated and fully equipped woman too needs to learn and perform everything.

Quest:— You said that it is the woman who will propose man in marriage but, this is not seen in the present-day scenario; everywhere in all countries it is the man who proposes woman!

Beloved the Lord:— And by that, man not only wastes himself but, makes the womanhood degraded and dwindled. That, through which the beings of both man and woman remain unimpaired and become thoroughly nurtured is the normal relation between the two. But when man wastes himself, does not become charmed to fulfill the wants of woman, woman, then, says, ‘If, by providing me, you don’t feel contented, don’t feel delighted, your such provisions are painful to me’,— because, the very object of woman is nurturance. Therefore, if woman desires to become man, she will only bring catastrophe to her life; and man too will do the same if ever he desires to become woman.

Quest:— To achieve this, boys and girls have to be educated essentially in a new ideal, haven’t they? I could not quite understand your views on education!

Beloved the Lord:— The elevated intellectualism has to be primarily brought in education. And the elevated intellectualism is that through which come admiration for higher culture and admiration for heroes, so that students can themselves adjust what is favourable and what is unfavourable. Why we should not commit something wrong, say, jealousy or calumny, and to become convinced in that is what we call elevated intellectualism.

Quest:— Terming faith as blind, disobeying authority— this is what has come to be called modern intellectualism!

Beloved the Lord:— This intellectualism is adverse to elevation— the de-elevating intellectualism. It is seen that if man aspires to be great, he cannot become so without a prop,— man rises upwards but like a creeper round the prop.

Quest:— We should accept whatever is good, then why should we depend on only one prop?

Beloved the Lord:— There is a thing called enjoyment, which we can avail of only when we stand at a particular point. We can never feel a thing if we do not remain above that thing. If a thing absorbs me the moment I try to feel that, then I can no more feel that thing. So to feel anything one must remain beyond or above that object; therefore it becomes possible to know the world just by standing at a particular point. Otherwise, our knowledges become a series of unsolved complexes.

Quest:— I couldn’t quite grasp your words. If no knowing is really possible without holding on to something, then I would rather hold something and after whatever I get from it, I would leave that and attach myself to something else— may not proceeding in this manner also do?

Beloved the Lord:— Not at all. Knowing this after holding on to this or knowing that after holding on to that will result into water-tight compartments of series of such knowings— eventuating in unsolved complexes. That will only become burdens, what to speak of penetration or solution or conclusion. This is a kind of insanity. Poking a bit you can expose such symptoms, of the person who has got such state of mind.

Quest:— Couldn’t quite understand. Generally we all do the same, don’t we?

Beloved the Lord:— Take the example of a little baby. Initially it becomes contented with its mother; and for this, an attachment grows in it towards its mother. This way I become attached to my mother,— which is a subject of tension within me. Having my mother a receptive attitude grows in me. A tension is felt inside, from which comes the ideas of the environment and of the world.

            And when I do not get full solutions of my ideas of the world, then with that attitude acquired from the mother, I go to someone else who can solve my problems; then he becomes a new subject of tension in me. From then on, a re-adjustment of my ideas begins; and due to that very tension the world of my ideas is expanded, newer problem arises, and also I get the solution of that; thus I come to love him, admire him, accept him as one superior. Hence there remains no question of holding on to something new, or making someone new as the Ideal or the unit. Those who have not become so, have to live with a series of unsolved complexes. So, there is in the Gita—

“Nāsti buddhiryuktasya na chāyuktasya bhāvanā,

na chābhāvayatah shāntirshāntasya kutah sukham.”—

He, who has not attached to one Beloved the Ideal, has neither intelligence nor thinking. And the unthinking man can have no peace; and how can there happiness for one lacking peace?

Quest:— In that case, apart from the attachment towards the mother, there we have another tension. Won’t this cause dual distraction of the mind?

Beloved the Lord:— If the complexes unfulfilled in the mother do not become fulfilled in him, then such dual-distraction will be inevitable. But if all the complexes become fulfilled in his proximity, then he can normally fulfill one’s parents or other superior ones who remain absorbed in him. In such a situation then, there can hardly be any ground for the dual-distraction. And he with whom one can experience this can be called true Guide of the Ideal.

Quest:— But this, as we see, is absolutely absent in our education. That is why, education, instead of enhancing our working power, as you have said, becomes a burden itself, and make us crippled too. How can the modern educational system of the country be redirected that way? How can we bring this elevated intellectualism?

Beloved the Lord:— That the students are not being infused with any ideal shows that the teachers are lacking in ideal. First and foremost duty of a teacher is to put the ideal before the students gloriously, lucidly and affectionately. Before entering into the classroom they have to prepare their mood in such a way that such an attitude may come. And for that, the teachers ought to be actively uni-centric, remaining actively attached to some embodied Ideal. If they be so, they will always have student-like attitudes. Every teacher of the country has to be primarily a student of this kind if they are to infuse their ideal among the students at all. And as much this student-like attitude will remain awake in them, so much successfully they can impart their ideal among students. In this way, elevated intellectualism has to be spread throughout the country.

            It is fear that makes our will stunted, and love and liking attract and emphasize it. It is necessary to mould the will of students.

Quest:— And you said, education should be practical and industrial, how’s that? How can that be introduced immediately either?

Beloved the Lord:— No problem if they study arts, provided there should be practical something compulsory with that, so that applying it, after leaving the college they can stand on that learning. Also subjects like science, physics, chemistry etc. should be classified and so divided into practical industrial division that the students may finish their college carrier through practice with theoretical lectures. This will enable them to come out with such common sense that, they, shouting ‘who wants a servant’, don’t have to be dissipated into utter ruin finding themselves in between the devil and deep blue sea.

            Further, it needs not to say that, the primary normal education of the Aryans depending on which they earned their livelihood— the agriculture should be maintained all through, and everyone should have the knowledge of it. It should be that even if one cannot get anything for living, he can at least get something out of the land.

Quest:— Well, this education is meant for the grown-ups. But the modern psycho-analysis and science of eugenics testify that man learns whatever he has to, by the time he attains scarcely the age of ten,— is there anything to be done in this regard?

Beloved the Lord:— Normally a child carries the sensations of its surroundings through its eyes, therefore, it is seen that moving its head the child tries to look up and down this and that, smiles or cries. It is the eyes of the child that first conveys into it the environment with sensation; and the brain becomes impressed, active and developed first through the eyes, after that naturally the ears start functioning and then everything else.

            Hence, in order to bring up the child well, such conducts, in the very beginning, are needed on the part of the parents and other family members that their impressions take him towards elevation in later life. But if there remains fault in this, particularly in parents or elder siblings, it become extremely difficult to uproot that, and that will invariably make his life unregulated, distorted and degenerated. In Hindu Scriptures, that’s why, many rules and regulations for reformation derived from day-to-day conduct and behaviour have been laid, and those have been verily termed reformation.

            The main thing is, the attachment between the father and the mother; The way the woman nurtures man to invite him, the pre-natal tendencies of the offspring too become fashioned like that. Then we can assume that the temperament, character and education depend, directly and indirectly, on the father and the mother. And the reformation means reforming or doing perfectly that which takes us towards elevation and upliftment.

Marriage reformation-- consent of girls in marriage, conduct & manner of girls! Aryan Race the greatest one!

Quest:— What do you understand by marriage reform? What are the things that can be done straightaway?

Beloved the Lord:— Right away we can take the consent of girls in marriage; we can, from this very moment, grow an instinct among girls that they should not love or think any man husbandly before marriage or go in contact with any man and select him as husband, lest they should be inclined by lust. They have to be regardful towards those who are superior in race, clan, family, education, conduct and in all respects, and they should offer to only that man, if they must, to whom their heart becomes inclined in devotion and administration and gains satisfaction. There should grow disgust and aversion in them for men who remaining oblivious of the Ideal and charmed by women entice them, lure them or give offer; at least this much we can do right now.

Quest:— What should be the conduct and manners of girls?

Beloved the Lord:— It should be ensured that even not living behind the purdah the girls don’t have to come in contact with men; while going somewhere or for some purpose they should go preferably with superior ones of near relations, then as alternative with aged, wise and honourable persons; except this, it is not good at all to mix with anyone else. Modes and conduct as studying with some student or in the proximity of a young professor in seclusion is indecent for girls. Besides, Aryans are the greatest race, and an Aryan woman will never surrender to Sub-Aryan.

Quest:— Why do you call the Aryans the greatest race?

Beloved the Lord:— Aryans are the greatest race, since they are earliest, and Veda is the record of realizations of the past sages. Those who did not accept this, did not worship the Sun, went away leaving Persia and India.

Quest:— But these days in marriage many don’t accept any discrimination between higher and lower caste or clan! And the affection which ensues through uncontrolled free mixing is the only criterion of marriage in the present civilized society, isn’t it?

Beloved the Lord:— If those who have lower cultural heredity do not mix regardfully with higher cultural heredity, then that higher culture cannot come within them. And if the mixing happens in such a way that regard, love etc. do not grow, then it is futile.

            The relation between husband and wife too should be like that,— it should be nearer, it should be dearer, but with a distance. Otherwise, as is the saying— ‘you, perhaps, will not be able to win your own ones’. The distance should be as much as it should be; like we can’t see the our face if the mirror is held too close to the eyes or nose, therefore, an honourable distance must be there. And along with this there should be a difference of age between the husband and wife.

Quest:— How much?

Beloved the Lord:— At the time of marriage there should be a gap of fifteen to twenty years between man and woman.

Quest:— Are you not then against the freedom of woman? Don’t you want woman’s liberty?

Beloved the Lord:— The freedom of a woman lies in her distinctiveness, i.e. where her characteristics may blossom freely,— and the fulfillment of this means her liberty. Male is male and female is female. There can’t be any comparison whatsoever between the two. Female is supreme at her distinctiveness, and so is male at his distinctiveness.

Quest:—  What are the specific distinctiveness of female nature?

Beloved the Lord:— Female nature is easily flexible, easily sympathetic, and can easily influenced by other elements, hence her qualities easily assume the shapes of good or bad according to the alteration of time or person.

Quest:— And the age, as you advocates, should be fifteen to twenty years between the husband and wife— isn’t this nearly like the relation between father and daughter?

Beloved the Lord:— Only such a man, taking the support of whom a woman may live, taking the refuge of whom she may be nurtured and nourished in all respects, can be worthy to be pati— the husband who possesses the capacity to fulfill. There exist fatherly instincts in husband, so husband and father, i.e. pati and pitā have originated from the same etymological root. A girl cannot be nourished sexually by her father but, there is no bar in getting nourished sexually by the husband— only there the husband differs from the father. So, only such a man, having fatherly attributes, by whom, there is no inhibition in getting sexually nourished, can become the husband.

Quest:— But our apprehension is that in such a case normal love or affection between wife and husband is impossible!

Beloved the Lord:— If the wife is such younger, then her association elates the man into vitality, i.e. endows him with longer life— such reference is found in Ayurveda too. And if the wife is of the same age, then equal deterioration takes place in both, and neither of them is properly nourished. Owing to the nearness of age, there remains the equality of knowledge, and so, the wife generally doesn’t take the husband worthy of her to follow. As a result of this the wife very often behaves indecently with the husband, hence the husband loses her respect, becomes contemptible to his wife, and the wife, without much thinking or contemplating on such matters that she doesn’t like, and to prove her supremacy of knowledge, finds faults with her husband. This way such fault-finding attitude takes hold of her character, as a result of which instead of becoming his follower she becomes his contender— this is generally seen in households.

Again, if a man takes his wife before attaining the age normal for the blossoming of his fatherly instincts, then unhealthy and undernourished offspring may be born. That is why, perhaps, seers were in favour of so much difference of ages.

The various aspects of reformation! Spirituality is for this present world! Industry means building up from within! Marriage reformation! Only Dharma can bring fulfillment!

Quest:— Well, if self-governance can no way achieved unless the country be reformed, then doing what the reformation of the nation can be accelerated? This can’t be achieved in a short time, can it?

Beloved the Lord:— It may happen in a short time, it may take long too— all depend on bringing in the reform, on activity. And activity means to apply our energy in the right way.

            Progressive mood, marriage reform, and industry will have to be inducted into the society; normal diet and mode of living, normal exercise through activity, and elevative engagement will have to be introduced into the health; Service basis, profitable management, and continuity will have to be installed in the industry; and all these come from true education, so, we must especially bring elevative intellectualism, and practical and industrial training in education. Like a being can be divided into three aspects— psychological, physical and dynamic, similarly each of education, health, society and industry or labour has to be divided into those three aspects.

Quest:— But all this is nation building that you are speaking about— where is spirituality in this?

Beloved the Lord:— Everything has a psychological aspect, that is spirituality; there must be introspectiveness, or cause-finding tendency.

Quest:— People may say, ‘Why should we go to Thakur to listen to all these talks? Aren’t these of this material world?

Beloved the Lord:— It is the talks of this material world that count. This entire spiritual endeavour is for this world alone.

Quest:— This world is not everything— is not this the main proposition of dharma! Beyond all these that are readily seen, there is man’s ideal and man’s everything— this is that dharma, for which man spontaneously wants to sacrifice this world to that next world, isn’t it so?

Beloved the Lord:— This world means the world that remains within the purview of human knowledge, and the next world means that from all this have come which man comes to know only by constant devout endeavour by awakening his own sense organs in a specific manner. Hence the connection of this world with that next world is inseparable; and this knowing stretches the boundaries of man’s world into further expansion.

Quest:— You are speaking about the progressive mood which has to be brought into the society— what does this mean?

Beloved the Lord:— Progressive mood means love and admiration for a higher ideal. Like the admiration towards Buddha through Ashoka made the formation of such an empire possible that is beyond imagination today. Exactly that has to be done which can bring such progressive mood. And to bring the ideas such as these have to be spread among the masses, as had been done by Nitshe, by Marx or by Lenin. Ideas such as to maintain progressive mood should be published, while publications hostile to that must be discouraged, schools and colleges should be moulded, and for this operas, epical shows, theater, novels, bioscope, radio, lectures and dramas are needed, and kinds of elevating textbooks or literature.

Quest:— You are just talking about literature, but the literature that are seen today is as if infected to the backbone by perverted ideals! The worship of the woman and sense organs is going on ceremoniously in full measure— and the picture of destruction inevitable from this has become brightly apparent in stories, poems, novels and dramas. What do you mean by elevating literature?

Beloved the Lord:— If worship means to elevate in all respects and if the literature of today is impediment to that, then how can that be called worship? That is nothing but the worship of death in woman, the worship of decay in growth,— what else can be thought of this? The ideal of literature is to convey to the society the inspiration of attachment to the Ideal, and not only to the society but to every individual. If literature does not do this, then that is the invoker of death. By elevating literature I understand thus— with the co-habitation of which makes us elevation-oriented in all respects, and which bestows the unfailing inspiration to accelerate being and becoming.

Quest:— What you say is mere ethics, but ethics is not literature at all!

Beloved the Lord:— Literature, in fact, establishes ethical principles, and these principles take us to the goal. The literature that does not conform to ethics is not at all useful to mankind, is not truth either. And truth is that which thoroughly nourishes being and becoming.

Quest:— To judge usefulness is something like maintaining accounts— that cannot be art, can it?

Beloved the Lord:— Art means— the device by which or through which nature, truth or life can be presented before man with sensation. That is or the device of that is art as I understand.

Quest:— Lies, death, rubbish, abnormalities, sensual-subjugation too can be presented with sensation. Today such a tendency is apparent in literature, art and music,— aren’t these also art?

Beloved the Lord:— Yes, it may be, but we don’t want that as that invokes catastrophe. So even if art, it is opposite.

Quest:— Why the tragedies of Shakespeare and nude beauty of Greece are the expressions of greatest art, aren’t they?

Beloved the Lord:— If these establish our that very nature, truth and life, then why can’t they be called art!

Quest:— Progressive mood and industry have to be brought into the society as you are talking about; what does this bringing industry into society mean?

Beloved the Lord:— Indo means within, and struere means to build up— i.e. industry means building up from within. Amusing mood has to be brought into work. Just as one’s lover asks one to do something and one rushes flouncingly to have it done; if we can work with the same amusing mood, then only we shall be industrious. Marriages are taking place in an improper manner; who has taken whose wife— all this contributes to the cessation of all activities. Only through marriage reform can industry come.

Quest:— What do you mean by who has taken whose wife?

Beloved the Lord:— That means, the woman whose source of delightment and upliftment, and the exaltation of whose health and heart is the complexes of a particular man, is verily the wife of that man. Instead of this if anything adverse happens, it is difficult to say whose wife has gone to whom!

Quest:— Have we become idle because of this? But the smarts of hunger has become more important to us nowadays! and today’s Philosophy of Hunger claims that man’s impulse for activity comes from this very hunger! In fact, everything we do merely for the sake filling our stomach, isn’t it?

Beloved the Lord:— Oh yes, we do! We quench our hunger by any means whatsoever, committing theft, robbery; still efficiency does not come in spite of all this.

Quest:— So through marriage kamini (woman) and through industry kanchan (gold) will be gained; at the conclusion of which, are woman and gold the key factors of your dharma?

Beloved the Lord:— No, not that. Marriage will provide the woman who complements to man’s temperament and be his companion in life’s endeavour, and whose only delight, contentment and nourishment is to make him exuberant in being and becoming with the Ideal through her nurturing and service. And as a result of that, industry or whatsoever will automatically come. So where there is dharma, Artha (money) has to be there— and Kama (desire), Moksha (salvation) are its mere conductors, aren’t they?

Quest:— But on the other hand Ramakrishnadev has said, ‘Stay away from kamini and kanchan’— what about that?

Beloved the Lord:— Lord Ramakrishna’s ‘stay away from kamini and kanchan’ means something else, i.e. kamini is maddening lustful inclination for woman, and kanchan is that which nourishes that very lust; so to stay away from this is a must duty! That is the road to death— for both and woman.

What is self-governance or liberty? The relation between Dharma & Science— Sages & Scientists— the observation through sensation & the observation through analysis! The need of centralized Reformation!!

Quest:— What will we do with this life or sort of things like dharma, religion, or constant devout endeavour— what have we achieved either, if we still remain subjugated— if we cannot bring the environment under control! What is your idea of self-governance or liberty?

Beloved the Lord:— I do not understand self-governance as hostility towards the British. By self-governance what I understand is— if we can do whatever should be done in order to keep my own existence sustain, only then true self-governance is achieved. Only when we can establish my own ‘self’ both within and without, I may gain true self-governance. If the British are enemies of that, they will automatically quit— and if they are friends, they will normally be amalgamated with us.

            Take an example, if someone in infected with germs of tuberculosis, the doctors try to keep him in good health, and for that, they make necessary arrangements for nutritious diets, fresh air, etceteras. When the patient recovers, they declare— ‘he is out of danger’. Similarly, we also have to regain good health first, and so in order to elevate activity and to push becoming institutions like bank, factory should be established.

Quest:— But when the interests of the British will be hurt, will they not destroy these institutions, the way they have destroyed our textile industry?

Beloved the Lord:— Only we are to blame for whatever has been lost. If we had no faults of our own, nobody could have destroyed them.

Quest:— The British have arms and ammunitions, guns and cannons and aircrafts; they can easily spoil all our efforts. And if we try to manufacture guns and cannons, they will prevent us— what is the way out then?

Beloved the Lord:— If we do anything that operates adversely to being and becoming of the living beings and the world, then that must be crushed; because, it is undoubtedly true that none of us wants to die. We can embrace only such a death that may lead us to the life eternal. If we can invent something or anything, which makes man’s being and becoming essentially unimpaired, then that will be everyone’s interest— what everyone wishes. Nobody will break that to crush; and if anyone does, his living will be no more to live.

            Guns and cannons can be the cause of one’s own death if used in unsound health,— if we eat something that we cannot digest, or like a body-builder try to lift weight, then rather than doing any good to our health that will be detrimental. So, first we need education, health, industry and society.

Quest:— Shall we be able to be successful in these sectors before our country get freedom? Take the example of education,— Hiren Dutta organized a system of national education. But he has been rather unsuccessful in his endeavour, how so?

Beloved the Lord:— There is nothing called national or foreign about education; such differentiation is a symptom of diseased state.

Quest:— What, then, is the ideal of education?

Beloved the Lord:— Whatever that is worth knowing has to be acquired according to one’s utmost ability. Languages of different countries have to be learnt, sciences have to be mastered— and not only studied, they have to be realized and materialized in a practical way also.

Quest:— There is a big laboratory at the Presidency College but, why the research going on there has done little in increasing the wealth of the country?

Beloved the Lord:— This is because, doing research and doing a salaried job cannot go together. The research which is carried on with the inspiration of thoughts and the endeavour for solution of what is the necessity of the country, what ensures the well-being of the citizens, how their health, education, prosperity and peace may be enhanced and maintained— is the real research, and verily, this is Aryan Dharma. Scientists of other developed countries exactly do this, and so, even without making any hullabaloo they are truly dhārmik— the performers of dharma.

Quest:— It is said that there is no relation between dharma and science, rather inimical if there is any. Science augments mundane luxury and dharma enunciates renunciation!

Beloved the Lord:— Science itself is the pathfinder of immortality. It is science that shows us— how to remain happy, how to grow and how to remain alive. So, dharma itself beckons science. The philosophy of spiritualism is science. While observing the spirit whatever is there occupying that spirit also becomes visible; and that knowledge is science, that knowledge is spiritualism.

Quest:— Are the sage’s way of knowing and the scientist’s way of knowing the same kind? Of what type are our country’s seers or the persons practicing ascetic austerities? Are they also what we understand as scientists?

Beloved the Lord:— As the scientist’s way of knowing is through observation, so also the sage’s way of knowing. Scientist proceeds through continually analyzing the object, and the sage aiming at the cause investigates that. Hence their perceptions too vary. The perception of the sage comes through sensation and that of the scientist comes through sense organs which are accompanied by inference. When that attitude grows in a scientist, he may become sage.

Quest:— What is the stream of the sage’s attitude?

Beloved the Lord:— If the scientist is a research-man and at the same time a sage, then all the visions that appear before him are through sensation; and if he has the attitude to materialize that physically through research, only then the adjustment of both the observation through sensation and the observation through analysis comes and perfect sensation of things can be acquired. The attitude of a sage means— that he seeks to find out the cause by analyzing his complexes— the complexes which come from the environment,— therefore, his inclination towards the cause is solemn and grave.

Quest:— Well, what, then, is the difference between the sensation and the perception through any particular sense organ?

Beloved the Lord:— The feeling which one gets being partially to some object remaining above that— is called sensation; like, when we feel the shock of electric battery. And another is seeing with eyes, listening with ears— that do not affect our being. The way Kanad, Kekule came to know the dance of atoms was with sensation; so also St. Augustine, Swedenborg and others got such feeling, as I have heard. The realization of a sage is just like that of the glass on which some particular thing can be reflected, and though the glass is tinged by that, it never turns into that.

Quest:— It is seen that the study of science is pursued amply over here in your place,— there is also a research laboratory. If something is ever invented here that is dangerous for the existence of the government, won’t they shut it down at once?

Beloved the Lord:— Any invention that hampers someone’s existence is the servitor of death, if that hampering does not make the being in general all the more unhampered and goads towards good. What is the meaning of government? We, the people, are the government, isn’t so! Besides if we have once invented something, what does it matter if that is shut down? There should be no more problem once we come to know how to bend the iron into our desired shape after heating it.

Quest:— Arrest, even imprisonment or death may be the destiny if that invention is sought to be materialized, but nothing can be done in reality!

Beloved the Lord:— No, that is not so. If I don’t have the least intention to create any hostility with the government, then they will not oppose what I’m doing. Because, what I’m doing is not only for this region but for the whole humanity; therefore opposition will not come. They oppose only when I do something that will hurt the governor, otherwise why will they oppose us? Induced by jealousy and egged on by greed for conquering kingdom Ashok waged only one battle in his lifetime, in which nothing but brutal killing had been established; he didn’t find a place in anyone’s heart. Later he realized his mistake; therefore he had to fight no more battles. The flag of culture what was born by him augmented India’s glory and did much good to the world. Only then did he become the true conqueror— people became indomitable for his existential upkeep, for he was favourable to their existence.

Quest:— Do you then, want to say that subjugation has not restricted our activity in the least?

Beloved the Lord:— We have been crippled not so much by the restriction of our activity resulting from subjugation as by being served, i.e. by getting from others the services for our whatever essential commodities, compared to which the subjugation is potentially far less harmful.

Quest:— Well, how long will it take for us to achieve the real self-governance what you are speaking about?

Beloved the Lord:— Twenty years after we become reformed.

Quest:— And how long will it take for us to be reformed?

Beloved the Lord:— That depends on our activity. As long as we shall be jealous seeing the rise of others, e.g. C. R. Das has become a leader, I couldn’t; as long as such thoughts continue to float in our mind, we will never succeed. First such thinking must depart. Then, in this country we, of different sects, live together; the Vaishnavas have Lord Krishna, Lord Gouranga, The Christians have Jesus, the Muslims have Mohammad. As long as we shall continue to slander them, and as long as we shall not be regardful towards them, the hope of development will remain much distant and hard to achieve.

Quest:— Reformation, then, means changing the mentality of the nation, isn’t it? Should we then abstain from the effort to achieve self-governance until that happens?

Beloved the Lord:— Nothing will be achieved if we plan for achieving self-governance without reformation. We can never get that what we wish to get, if we do not do the way it can be got; therefore, to achieve something the reformation accordant with that is absolutely necessary. And for that wherever whatever adjustment is required should be done. So, to achieve anything the proceeding should in the way making the relevant reformation its basis.

Quest:— All right, it is understood that without achieving the development of society, health, education and industry we can’t be reformed; but if this effort is initiated by hardly one or two persons in few places in this huge nation, then how long will it take to reform the whole nation?

Beloved the Lord:— Though this slows down the pace of work, but if such endeavour becomes successful, then that spreads everywhere; because, it is man’s nature to hold on to success. For instance, one textile mill of guernsey was set up in Pabna; after that several others mushroomed. However to increase mass-strength the centralization of all reformations should be needed.

Is Death A Curable Disease? What's The Difference between Matter & Spirit? The Mystery Of Birth & Death, & Emancipation!

Quest:— You think death is a curable disease— it is a kind of disease of which man can get remedy, isn’t it?

Beloved the Lord:— I consider many deaths curable. At least deaths in which organs are not damaged are curable— like heart failure, drowning, cholera etc. Man can be brought into life from such deaths,— beings can be revived by induction of life-energy.

Quest:— Have you done it?

Beloved the Lord:— No, but I think it is possible. Not only I, but many Western thinkers also are carrying on research on this subject now.

Quest:— Have you done any experiment on it?

Beloved the Lord:— I haven’t done anything with the sense of experimentation but, I have seen such things take place. Long ago I had seen that without any intention of reviving if something, that makes the life-energy excited, e.g. Name consist of the root, can be revolved in the mind and the object can be steadily gazed, then some results do come out of it.

I saw a cockroach dead. I kept gazing at it over a stretch of about fifteen minutes, felt pain in the mind, and did repetition of the Holy Name intensely and incessantly. When my nerves became highly sensitive and receptive, I looked at the insect— within half an hour it revived and went away.

Another day, it was a beetle,— half of it eaten away by something— within an hour after I kept gazing at it, its limbs began movements; for a long time it remained in that state and then died. It might have happened owing to some other reason, I don’t know; but I thought it happened as a result of my doing so because, before doing that I had according to my intelligence tested it to be lifeless.

Quest:— Well, what do you call lifeless? What is the difference between matter and life?

Beloved the Lord:— Me seems, everything has life— even a grain of sand has life. Every substance becomes attached to something and again becomes detached from something. And anything that has the tendency to be attached and detached has life. Whatever is palpable to our senses and which has entity, which has existence— is matter; and that which makes this entity and existence sustain and grow is verily life. Besides this I don’t know anything else as matter or inanimate.

Quest:— Would you please speak something about your experiences in the spiritual world?

Beloved the Lord:— I don’t understand anything as spiritual world. Whatever I see before is the world. There is the fine before the gross, the finer before the fine, the finest before the finer and it goes on thus. Whatever we come across is verily the universe,— and that from which it has originated is the cause.

Quest:— Are not matter and spirit separate then?

Beloved the Lord:— I understand the cause that lies behind the gross, of which the gross is the effect— is verily the spirit of that.

Quest:— Like water behind ice?

Beloved the Lord:—  Exactly.

Quest:— These however can be observed with naked eyes— I’m not talking of these. But of those that are behind this— like where man goes after his death, what he does there, what he eats? —do you have any idea of these things?

Beloved the Lord:— What man was before his death has to be known first. How man came into being— man is the conglomeration of some ideas— that idea becomes attached to some external things.

Quest:— How it happens?

Beloved the Lord:— Jāyā ( wife) means by which man is brought forth. How is man born? —If he is born again, then how does he remain alive? —That connotes the specified feelings or ideas by which man remains inspired becomes embodied and infused with life within the wife. Then after the delivery which is the result of infusing life with the specified ideas, i.e. the child who, soon after his birth, comes across the conflicts with his environment, especially with his mother. Conflict means spur of impulse. As a result of this, those impulses through sensation continues to be recorded in the brain in due succession. In this way, gradually the child keeps on to be nourished both in body and idea. Then the ideas that are infused with life from the father, take birth having been embodied within the mother; the child goes on to fulfill them through various conflicts of his environment. In a way to fulfill them is as it were the mission of man’s life.

And in order to fulfill himself through those conflicts, only through confronting the unfavourable and acquiring the favourable the deeper impressions that are recorded in the mind, he becomes obsessed with the deepest of them at the time of death and for this reason he becomes disconnected from the links of other ideas, and so the conflicts of environment can no more work in him— therefore he becomes off— dead. The idea with which he passes away becomes his continuity after death— and that continues to remain as if in the ethereal ocean the tremor of that idea raises the waves. That with which he passed away was collected by himself from his own world. Again he will be born only there where a man, whose brain is aroused by the same type of waves of ideas, mates— like the wireless photo transmission of television.

Quest:— What does he do or eat after his death?

Beloved the Lord:— Everyone does according to his desire. Suppose a deceased had loved somebody in this world. But there may be some things about him that the deceased did not like— such as his rude behaviour etc. Verily this enjoyment of love and repulsion of rude behaviour become prominent after death. If the deceased had not been given a glass of water in this world, perhaps in the world beyond that becomes prominent. The condition one may be in when pain or happiness continues is somewhat similar to what man comes across after death.

Quest:— I couldn’t quite understand. How does one eat the rice offered to him at the time of shrāddha— the solemn rites performed after his death? What is this shrāddha either?

Beloved the Lord:— You just imagine within your mind that you have served food to someone and he has eaten and felt contented,— it is almost like that. Though it is not that the deceased will eat just because he has been served; he has the desire but he may be otherwise focused. Therefore, those, say son, who are almost in tune, have the right to perform shrāddha. What do we perform in shrāddha? We treat those in the surrounding at a banquet— the significance of it is to keep the dead person’s in-ing positions well and healthy. That is why providing a dinner for five Brahmins, who are well-versed in Veda, would yield better results than treating many people at grand banquet.

And the purpose of shrāddha is to inspire the individuals of that environment, in which the emergence and expiry of the deceased had taken place, as far as possible with the narration of his qualities and glories through my impulses of shraddhā— respect towards the deceased— so that those, through whom he may be able to obtain corporeal body, remain well, healthy and inspired by his sentiment and ideas. And this is the reason why, perhaps apprehending that in a banquet given on large scale the opposite of this act of inspiring may happen, scriptures have prohibited such grand banquet.

And with entreating solicitation inviting them and treating them to a dinner, who are near ones but not grief-stricken, and them who are Brahmins well-versed in Veda, have been prescribed. The reason behind this is, that they can easily be imbued with respect and sympathy towards the deceased.

Quest:— It is said that if shrāddha is done properly one may obtain ascension and if not done properly one may get damnation— what is the significance of it?

Beloved the Lord:— Well, take the instance of banquet given on the occasion of shrāddha. Suppose such a one has died, of whose shrāddha you are the rightful performer. He was pretty rich and eminent person, so, how it is possible that on the occasion of his shrāddha you refrain from arranging a special grand banquet and from inviting for dinner those who are inferior, half-starved and poor people; what will people say either if don’t do this— considering all these things you have invited all and sundry and treated them well as much as you could afford without making any discrimination, but you couldn’t satisfy anyone’s aspiration, couldn’t properly serve with adoration. So they become offended and keep saying things like, ‘O, what a horrible specimen of a host he is! His relative (the deceased) was like such and such, what else can be expected of him?’ and so on, and in this manner growling in vexation and anger they leave— stirring up thus and atmosphere of disrepute.

            Suppose in all such brains that bad aspect of the deceased— which he had not liked but under some compulsion did some mistakes somewhere— has become the very subject of their gossiping and thinking. And aroused by such thoughts going home, they, men and women keep on discussing the same topic. Thus if through the mating of a man and a woman obsessed with such thoughts enters the spirit of that deceased, then you can understand where the matter comes finally! Perhaps for this reason, there is such ruling in the scriptures. If this is the main factor of rebirth and if we violate the ruling of the scripture to establish our ego— then the consequences— if Providence be true— will be such what must be true.

Quest:— Some say that, after death, man gradually rises to higher and higher planes, he doesn’t have to come down again to earth— is it true?

Beloved the Lord:— No, without coming back again as an embodied being he can’t proceed further, because, this is the continuity of ideas, and until he is born again he can’t rise upwards. In dream man may ride horse, but it is only after the dream breaks that he finds new objects. As long as that dream continues, all that constitute the surroundings of the horse-ride continues. Until some other situation disturbs that state, it is not possible to enter into another state. And so, the moment that breaks, that state changes into another through the conflict with some other object and can proceed towards one state to another.

            The gradual improvement of knowledge takes place in accordance with the alteration of learning and the previous knowledge can properly be realized only through the acquisition of later; thus on the basis of that the universe of man’s knowledge too expands. For example, there are solid, liquid, gaseous, atomic and electronic substances. The true knowledge about solid occurs only when we come to know the liquid. Similarly, solid and liquid can be truly known when we have the knowledge of gaseous substance.

            Likewise, there are also various planes of knowing the creation and the universe. There is nirvikalpa samādhi, i.e. the absolute upkeep of thorough conception, or parama dhām— the supreme abode according to Vaishnava, or nirvāna the emancipation as called by Buddhist— and so on of various planes.

            Hence as much extraordinary a knowing is, the birth after one passes away with that knowing is so much rare, because, that type of conception is exceptional in the surrounding— this is what me seems.

Quest:— Things like atom, electron are but finer elements of the universe, aren’t they? Does man, after his death, become absorbed in these finer elements or remain as something else?

Beloved the Lord:— Suppose our physique with its activity is, as it were, some radio receiving and transmission plant. The impulses, coming from our environment are generating many ideas within us with sensation that are being recorded in our brain and being transmitted— and this process goes on ceaselessly. Being obsessed with a particular thought at the time of death, the moment one becomes disassociated  from all other factors of the environment, this mechanism breaks and resulting in that particular thought becomes transmitted into a subtler plane in the form of waves.

            Again, suppose in every individual of the environment there remains a receiving plant and imagine the complexes that exist within us, as crystal. Only that type of waves, which these crystals will become adjusted by some impulse to receive, will be received,— and this is the prime law of physicalization. For example, ether is a fine component and within its waves is the continuity of a specific vibration of the ether-particles. After death what we remain is also a continuity of wave of the universe of ideas. As is the difference between ether-particles and ether-waves, similar is the difference between the primary fine component and our state after death.

Quest:— How has this knowledge of law— the intricate mystery of birth and death, been known?

Beloved the Lord:— I’ve said already that knowing means the consummation of our complexes into one, like jewels strung to a single thread. As If, to become gratified by fulfilling someone with whatever good or bad that I possess , is the mission of life— thus become my very nature; and to do this whatever needs to be done is sādhanā— the constant devout endeavour. By this constant devout endeavour our brain cells become more sensitive and receptive. Verily from that our finer impulses too  come within the jurisdiction of our sensation,— and it is in this way that we come to know. Thus we can understand, how the impulses are received and how they are transmitted either.

Quest:— How are we born again?

Beloved the Lord:— Like wireless television, as I’ve already stated. As the physical arrangement that is taken place in our brain as a result of action and reaction of the environment on it, and the type of waves it can be able to receive; similar type of being is ensured to be physicalized.

Quest:— In the sky, in the air, unsubstantiated and unsupported states after death what you are talking about— in that sort of state existence is tantamount to non-existence. Are then the sayings like perpetual life, attainment of immortality mere delirium or emotional outburst of poet?

Beloved the Lord:— What is poet’s emotional outburst? We do like to think,— although no direct evidence is available, still it is good to think that way.

Quest:— We desire to become immortal— then why do we die?

Beloved the Lord:— It is in the hope of coming across immortality by going through death after death. The very thought of death brings man within the purview of death. Repelled attachment stretches its hand to embrace death,— so, love, without cherishing any expectation for getting, is the co-traveler of immortality.

Quest:— We find that while remaining persistently engaged in a particular thinking our personality expands,— and so if at the time of death all the ideas are broken and a single idea prevails, then instead of the feeling of expansion why does my I-ness shrink?

Beloved the Lord:— Complex means such a compartment into which another complex cannot enter or one with which another has no concordance.

            At the time of death the shallow complexes vanish one by one. So, by that particular complex among them which is deep-seated one becomes possessed at the time of death verily with the same idea with which that complex was formed. Therefore, he becomes possessed by that which is shrunken, which has no affinity and adjustment with any other; and this is death.

            And those whose complexes have been converged at one, i.e. like jewels strung from a single thread, have been penetrated, they do not die, but become emancipated and culminate the expansion— this is what the scriptures say.

Quest:— What does this emancipation mean?

Beloved the Lord:— Emancipation doesn’t mean annihilation but, penetrating the complexes. And as much he or those have been able to penetrate the complexes, so much he or those are fit for every serviceable position to the environment. And the more the environment becomes attached with such penetrated complex, the more the complexes of the environment become adjusted, attain complacence,— therefore, surrender to them makes man great, venerable, wise and loving. So, herein lies the significance of emancipation, i.e. the environment, in its own way, cannot sever and split us in sunder. Even remaining for everyone he stands untottering at his distinctiveness; therefore, as the crystals of sugar candy crystallize around the thread, the environment too in the same way remain crystallized around them— as if one person with all that are there. So, man finds the awakening of godhead in Him, and He is called God. That is why perhaps, the Vaishnavas say— God alone is the Man, everything else is nymph.

Quest:— In such case man himself happens to be God! But can man ever be God?

Beloved the Lord:— With all those things that godhead is constituted is verily godliness— wherever that may exist— in from or in formless— embodied or disembodied. If sweetness indicates sugar, then anything sweet must be comprised of sugar— whatever that may be.